In tanti mi avete contattato e mi avete chiesto come riaccendere il Commodore, dopo tanti anni di inutilizzo, senza fare danni. Vediamo cosa fare per accendere (riaccendere) un vecchio computer (un Commodore 64, un Commodore 16, un Vic20, un C128 o un Amiga), dopo tanti anni di inattività, perché l'avete recuperato dalla cantina oppure l'avete appena acquistato.
Obviously it would be advisable to send the computer to some good technician for checking. However, assuming you don't feel like doing it, or the vendor has assured you that your computer is working perfectly, you can take a few steps to reduce the risk of damaging it.
In addition to the procedure to turn on an old computer after so many years of inactivity, in this video we also see how to test the Commodore 64 with the appropriate diagnostic kit 586220, both with closed computer and with open computer.
Controllare le tensioni dell'alimentatore
Stando attenti, si può collegare la spina dell'alimentatore del computer alla rete elettrica, ma senza collegare al computer l’altro connettore.
After leaving the power supply on for a few moments, to check that it does not heat up and that it does not emit smoke or strange smells, you can turn it off to connect the test leads to the connector on the computer side.
Le misure sono differenti per i vari modelli di alimentatore. Ecco le slide con i pinout, tenendo conto che le immagini sono viste dal connettore di alimentazione, con i piedini rivolti verso l'osservatore.
Sull'alimentatore del Commodore Vic20, 64 e 128 bisogna effettuare due misure: una in tensione alternata (9Vac) e una in tensione continua (5Vdc). La tolleranza sulla tensione continua è molto piccola: sono ammesse tensioni tra 4,9V e 5,1V. Sulla tensione alternata ci può essere più tolleranza. L'alimentatore del Commodore Vic20 è lo stesso del Commodore 64, sulla maggior parte dei modelli.
Per l'alimentatore dell'Amiga, bisogna misurare tre tensioni continue, tutte rispetto al pin 2 (GND). Le tensioni sono di 5Vdc e 12Vdc, con poca tolleranza.
L'alimentatore del Commodore 16 prevede una sola tensione da 9Vdc, con ampia tolleranza, tenendo conto che il positivo è il terminale esterno.
Finding incorrect voltages, I recommend not to use the power supply. Furthermore, you must also check that the polarity is correct (se trovate tensioni negative dove dovrebbero essere positive, probabilmente c'è qualche collegamento errato nel connettore di alimentazione).
When you turn off the power supply, the DC voltage is still present for a few moments, to testify that the electrolytic capacitors are working.
I recommend repeating the same measurements even after a few minutes of switching on the power supply.
There are those who recommend replacing the old power supply with a modern one. Of course, it is a good solution, but you have to choose a good power supply, with the appropriate protections and safety devices, built by a reliable technician.
How to turn the Commodore back on after so many years? Let's check the computer!
Proseguiamo i passaggi su come riaccendere il Commodore dopo tanti anni che rimasto spento. E' il momento di controllare il vecchio computer.
Take a first look at all the connectors, which must appear as you see them in the picture, without oxide, without breakage or damage.
Inside you should not feel detached parts. If you hear something moving, it could be a screw (or other metal object) which, moving, could cause short circuits.
If you want to inspect the vintage computer internally, in the video I show you how to open it.
After connecting the Commodore to the TV, as we see in the next paragraph, you can cross your fingers and… turn on the computer!
Don't leave your old computer on for a long time. Just enough time to set up the TV and check if you see the picture.
If everything is in order, congratulations, the first part of the test went well!
You can power up the computer again, manually try the various keys on the keyboard and, perhaps, play some games with the joystick, also verifying that audio is heard. On my Youtube channel and on this site, I have already published several videos on how to load programs and games using the datassette, the floppy disk drive 1541, the emulator Sd2iec and other interfaces.
Connect the Commodore to the TV (TV)
To connect the Commodore to the TV, you can use an antenna cable or a composite audio / video cable.
Both of these solutions work with different Commodore models that we analyze in this article on how to turn the Commodore back on after so many years of inactivity.
Regarding the antenna cable, also called RF cable, on one side it is provided with the RCA connector to connect to the computer. On the other hand, it must have the connector suitable for inserting into the antenna socket of the TV.
The TV must have an analog tuner and be able to tune to channel 36.
Regarding the audio / video cable, on the Commodore side, the cable is equipped with a 5 or 8-pole DIN connector (depending on the model), on the TV side, the three RCA connectors must be connected to the audio (white and red) and video inputs composite (yellow).
If you buy a cable with a 5-pole DIN connector, you can use it on all the Commodores that we have seen in this video, as it is compatible with both 5-pole and 8-pole connectors. When you turn on the TV, you need to set the A / V input.
Obviously, if you have other needs, such as using the S-Video signal, you will have to use pre-arranged cables. If your TV does not have audio / video or S-Video inputs and the antenna is digital only, you will need an RCA to HDMI converter.
Diagnostics 586220 for Commodore 64 - How to rekindle the Commodore after so many years
Anche se siete stati fortunati e il vostro vecchio Commodore 64 si è acceso, consiglio di proseguire la lettura di questo articolo su come riaccendere il Commodore dopo tanti anni dall'ultima accensione. Infatti, nel video, vediamo il test diagnostico 586220 per il Commodore 64.
It is possible to use only the interface to connect to the Commodore 64 expansion port. Connect the interface only when the computer is turned off. The complete test also consists of a series of connectors to be connected to the various ports of the Commodore 64.
Instead of the diagnostic interface, you can use the Kung Fu Flash, obviously by loading the CRT file of the diagnostic test. Find this file at the bottom of this page.
Here are the three possibilities for starting the diagnostic test.
586220 diagnostic test without harness (also with Kung Fu Flash)
Without connecting the remaining connectors of the diagnostic test, the tests we can perform are limited and errors are still returned even if the computer is working.
The test screen of a Commodore 64 (also working) is this, if we have not connected the various connectors of the diagnostic kit.
586220 diagnostic test with harness (also with Kung Fu Flash) and closed computer
Without disassembling the computer, you can try to connect almost any diagnostic test accessory, if you have them. When connecting them, care must be taken to insert the connectors in the right direction, with the computer off.
Also in this case it is possible to use the Kung Fu Flash instead of the interface to be connected to the expansion port.
Dopo aver acceso il computer, viene lanciato il test: l'immagine successiva mostra il risultato di un computer funzionante. Ancora c’è l’errore della tastiera, perché non abbiamo aperto il computer e collegato quest’ultimo connettore.
In fact, even without opening the Commodore 64, you can test it properly.
586220 diagnostic test with harness (also with Kung Fu Flash) and open computer
The video on how to turn the Commodore back on after many years of inactivity is full of information. It also shows how to open the Commodore 64 to inspect the interior. While the computer is open, you can check the state of the electrolytic capacitors. They must not be swollen and leak.
With all connectors connected from the 586220 Diagnostic Kit, the test should not return any errors.
Rev. Diagnostic interface 586220 - How to rekindle the Commodore after so many years of inactivity
As promised, here is the CRT file to be loaded with the Kung Fu Flash to emulate the diagnostic interface rev. 586220.
The file is in ZIP format. It must be unpacked and copied inside the Kung Fu Flash MicroSD.
Commodore 64 diagnostic interface 586220 CRT
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Salve ottimo video e spiegazioni sulla pagina. Ho qualche domanda da porre, tralasciando da parte la già ottima Kung Fu Flash, mi interessa maggiormente il kit diagnostico con i cavetti da inserire nelle porte del C64 e la cartuccia allegata. Chi gli è l'ha fornita?
Salve! Grazie mille per i complimenti. Ho acquistato il kit diagnostico su eBay. E' sufficiente cercare il kit 586220 completo di harness. In particolare, si trovano kit da montare ad un prezzo interessante.
Congratulations on the video. I have a couple of questions could you help me?
Ho fatto il tuo test è l'alimentatore a "scarpetta", del c64 ha per le tensioni a continua 5,42 vdc mentre tu hai 5,093 vdc.
While alternating I have 10.95 VAc against your 10.67 VAc. okay the same is correct?
Altro quesito, con alimentatore a forma rettangolare, che ha per intenderci la "C" di commodore in rilievo sul lato superiore, ho dei dubbi, nonostante sia stato fermo solo tre anni, allora alla misurazione della tensione alternata, rilevo 10,44/10,45/10,46, nel momento in cui si trova collegato alla sola presa di corrente, per poi attestarsi sui 10,45 VAc, i dubbi atroci mi vengono con le tensioni in continua, stando al tuo disegno dei pinout, su 2,5 dovrei trovare la 5VDc, ma con sorpresa, leggo sul tester 0.00VDc, com'è possibile tutto questo? Non è che i pin sono errati per questo alimentatore? Siccome nel tipo a "scarpetta", il connettore ha solo 4 pin esistenti cioè i pin 7,6 - 5,2, mentre in quello rettangolare, ci sono ben sette pin. !!
Both are original commodore brand, can you help me??
Altra domanda ma il test delle correnti si può fare anche con l'alimentatore del 1541 II?
Regards.
Hello. I try to answer point by point.
Quando le tensioni (continue e stabilizzate, come i 5V) iniziano a discostarsi dal valore corretto, è sempre meglio approfondire il discorso. 5,5 Volt non creano un problema all'elettronica del C64, ma dovresti cercare di capire come mai il tuo alimentatore inizia a deviare la tensione. Perché, in futuro, potrebbe proseguire e alzare la tensione a valori pericolosi.
The alternating voltage is not regulated, so you can not intervene on the value. When you put the load, it lowers.
E' possibile testare l'alimentatore con il carico. Lo mostro in questo video di un Atari: https://youtu.be/rcLX8-e4ni0.
If a power supply gives you 0V, it definitely does not work, of course if you have measured the voltage on the right feet. It does nothing if the power supply (of the C64) has more feet, the ones used are always the usual. Maybe they are poorly connected in the connector, or the power supply does not work.
Regarding the 1541 II power supply, of course, you can test it (indeed, you have to test it!). You need to check the 5V and 12V. They are both stabilized, so they must be accurate.