Commodore Plus/4 repair: TED, CPU and PLA

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Today we talk about the repair of the Commodore Plus/4, which I had ordered on eBay. Do you remember? I had arrived with an inadequate packaging and, above all, not working ...

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Repair of the Commodore Plus/4, fault diagnosis

In this first article of the repair of the Commodore Plus/4, we are not going to make a definitive intervention. Actually, I'm content to see what the damaged components are.

To do this, I support a Commodore 16, which I already have in my collection, with which we exchange the various components.

The concept behind this quick repair is to take one supplement at a time, among those that we assume are broken. From the Commodore Plus/4 we put them on the C16 and see if it turns on. Conversely, we will take those of the Commodore 16 and put them on the Plus4.

La prima operazione da svolgere è verificare che il Commodore 16, presente nella mia collezione, funzioni correttamente. Per fortuna... funziona!

Test power on Commodore 16, Commodore Basic v3.5 12277 bytes free, ready, home screen, CBM

Why this repair approach?

E' risaputo che alcuni componenti interni al Commodore 16, 116, Plus/4 (insomma, tutta la serie Commodore 264), sono molto delicati:

  • TED (MOS 8360 audio/video processor);
  • the CPU (MOS 8501 or MOS 7501 microprocessor);
  • PLA (programmable logic array MOS 251641-02).

Questi componenti possono danneggiarsi per età ed ossidazione, oltre che per surriscaldamento. Per questo, può capitare di riporre i computer funzionanti, lasciarli spenti per alcuni anni, e trovarli danneggiati all'accensione.

Open the Commodore Plus/4 and Commodore 16

Once we have established that the Commodore 16 works, we can turn both computers (both the Plus4 and the C16 that will act as a temporary donor of components) and open them.

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To open the Commodore Plus/4 there are 5 screws to unscrew: two at the bottom/front and three at the bottom/back.

Disassemble open Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 screws bottom shell

At this point you have to rotate the upper body, to the left, taking care that you do not break the cable that connects the keyboard to the motherboard, which is very delicate.

Disassemble open Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 rotate keyboard to the left, flat cable

We also open the metal cover that protects the TED (MOS 8360R2), which would then be the video audio processor of the Commodore Plus4 (3 plus 1).

Proseguiamo la riparazione del Commodore Plus/4... aprendo il Commodore 16, che funge da donatore temporaneo di componenti elettronici! Nella parte inferiore/anteriore ci sono tre viti da svitare.

Poi, successivamente, bisogna ruotare verso l'indietro la scocca superiore, prestando attenzione a non spezzare i gancetti che si trovano posteriormente al computer stesso. Nel video, in alto a questa pagina, si vedono bene tutti i passaggi. You must never force. You have to do everything in a very delicate way, waiting for the parts to come off, without making any force.

We free the two parts of the body of the Commodore 16, detaching the LED connector and the keyboard connector. We also release the screen, which would then be a part of protection against electromagnetic waves that computer can emit.

Internal Commodore 16 computer, vintage motherboard, MOS TED CPU PLA PCB

First test: supply voltages!

Never, never, never turn on a vintage computer without having tried the supply voltages. I had talked about it in this article.

Prima di tutto, ho dovuto mettere una spina italiana sull'alimentatore del Commodore Plus/4, che arrivava dall'Inghilterra.

Change Commodore power supply plug, 2 poles neutral phase, black brown

Successivamente, dobbiamo provare le tensioni di alimentazione in uscita all'alimentatore: 5V in continua e 9V in alternata. Ovviamente, ci può essere una certa tolleranza, però devono essere più vicini possibile a 5V per quanto riguarda la tensione continua, e a 9V per quanto riguarda la tensione alternata. La tensione alternata la potete trovare tranquillamente anche 10 Volt.

Test supply voltage, Commodore 5V power supply, tolerance

Let's test the TED, MOS 8360R2

Per togliere chip così grossi, bisogna fare leva, con un cacciavite, tra lo zoccolo e il circuito integrato. Bisogna fare un pochino di leva da una parte del chip ed un pochino dall'altro lato, delicatamente, in modo da togliere tutti i piedini in verticale, senza piegarli. Per tutti i dettagli, guardate il video.

We have already seen it in several videos, including that of the repair of theAmiga 500: When removing chips from the sockets, you must leverage NOT on the printed circuit board, but between the integrated circuit board and the socket.

Where to pry to remove an integrated IC chip from socket socket

Let's take the TED (MOS 8360R2) of the Commodore Plus/4 and try it on the Commodore 16, obviously after removing the TED of the Commodore 16 from its socket. Quando mettono i circuiti integrati, bisogna tener conto dell'orientamento corretto.

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Repair Plus4 Plus-4 264, Commodore 3 plus 1, TED MOS 8360Rs 8360 replacement, video audio chip

The ignition test of the Commodore 16, with the TED of the Commodore Plus/4, gave a negative result. The Commodore 16 has not started and remains with black screen.

Commodore 16 C16, black screen, TED fault MOS 8360R2 8360, not working

This proves that the TED of the Commodore Plus4 is damaged.

Before putting the working TED, that of the Commodore 16, inside the Commodore Plus/4, we check if the 5V supply voltage is propagated correctly on the computer motherboard.

Test supply voltage, PCB printed circuit board Commodore Plus4 Plus 4 5V, tolerance


Inseriamo il TED, sicuramente funzionante, all'interno del Commodore Plus/4, prestando attenzione all'orientamento corretto.

TED MOS 8360 8360R2 new for Commodore Plus4 Plus 4, 3 plus 1, Commodore 264

Then, let's try to turn on the Commodore Plus/4, hoping it will start.

Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 264, Commodore 3 plus 1, does not work black screen

No, non funziona ancora! Quindi, oltre al TED c'è un altro circuito integrato che è rotto!

Let's test the CPU, MOS 7501R1

La riparazione del Commodore Plus/4 continua... con l'elenco dei chip delicati visti prima. E' il momento di provare la CPU.

Rimuovo, quindi, la CPU dal Commodore Plus/4 e vado a inserire, al suo posto, quella sicuramente funzionante del C16, prestando attenzione all'orientamento corretto.

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Actually, the CPU I removed from the C16 is a MOS 8501R1, which is compatible with the MOS 7501R1.

Repair Commodore Plus4 Plus 4, Commodore 264, replacement CPU MOS 7501 8501 7501R1 8501R1

Con la nuova CPU... il computer si è acceso!

Per chi non volesse utilizzare la CPU originale del Commodore 16, dato che è costosa e delicata, c'è possibilità di utilizzare una CPU MOS 6510 (quella del Commodore 64), con opportuno adattatore che si trova anche su PCBWay.

Paying attention, the writing at the top, of the home screen, is a little different from the correct one of the Plus/4.

Repair Commodore Plus4, wrong screen, one line is missing

Se notate, manca proprio una riga rispetto a quella del Commodore Plus/4 funzionante. Lo vediamo, confrontando la schermata iniziale con questo screenshot, preso dall'emulatore VICE for Windows PC.

Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 Plus 4, home screen Commodore Basic V3.5 60671 bytes free, 3-plus-1 on key F1, emulator VICE WINVICE

Inoltre, purtroppo non si vede dal video, è successo un po’ un casino: il computer ha mostrato delle scritte BREAK casuali e... si è spento dopo pochi secondi!

So: not only the TED, not only the CPU are faulty, but there must also be another faulty integrated circuit.

Replace PLA MOS 251641-02

Andiamo in ordine... con il terzo chip più delicato del Commodore Plus/4. La PLA (programmable logic array MOS 251641-02).

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We can also recover this chip from the Commodore 16, certainly working.

Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 264, Commodore 3 plus 1, replacement PLA MOS 251641-02, written at random, assy no 310163

Con quest'ultima sostituzione, il computer si accende e la schermata è quella giusta del Commodore Plus4!

Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 Plus 4, open, home screen Commodore Basic V3.5 60671 bytes free, 3-plus-1 on key F1

We found three damaged chips!

Commodore Plus/4 test

At this point, we can close the lid that shields the TED. I don't want to put the thermal paste back right now, because the TED is that of the Commodore 16.

Commodore Plus4 Plus 4 metal screen, lid, TED MOS 8360R2 8360

We can close the keyboard, at the moment temporarily, without screwing the screws, just to do some tests. For example, let's try the keyboard: let's see if all the keys work.

Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 Plus 4, try keyboard keys, home screen Commodore Basic V3.5 60671 bytes free, 3-plus-1 on key F1

We can also try to start the first of the programs pre-loaded on the machine. If you remember, the Commodore Plus/4 (3 Plus 1) has three other programs, in addition to the Basic, which are preloaded on the machine.

This is software from International Tri Micro Inc., david W Johnson.

Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 Plus 4, screen 3-plus-1 on key F1, international tri micro inc, David W Johnson, CBM, Commodore Business Machines Inc, 3-PLUS-1 V052084

The software includes a text program, similar to Windows Notepad or Easy Script del Commodore 64. C'è anche un foglio di calcolo, simile ad Excel, e c'è anche un database.

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Commodore Plus4 Plus-4 Plus 4, preloaded programs, 3-plus-1 screen on key F1

Well, the first tests gave a positive result!

We have figured out what the damaged components are and I will have to do some research to buy them at a good price.

Commodore Plus4 16 116 264, PLA MOS 251641-02, TED MOS 8360 8360R2, CPU MOS 7501 8501 7501R1 8501R1, failed chips, integrated circuits

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2 Comments

  1. Good morning! Thank you for the very interesting and very useful videos in terms of any repairs.
    In this regard, I also received a non-working Commodore Plus/4 with the same vicissitudes and its partial refund!
    Ora, avendo constatato che uno dei componenti guasti è il famigerato MOS7501, mi chiedevo se il sostituirlo con il MOS8501 possa essere una soluzione migliore ovvero, sostituendo il 7501 con l'8501, si potrebbe andare incontro ad eventuali "incompatibilità" con altri componenti?
    Grazie per l'eventuale risposta.

  2. Good morning! Unfortunately, it happens to receive non-compliant objects. You can replace the MOS7501 with the MOS8501, try to see what you can find at a better price. In addition, there are kits to use the MOS6510 as well, but in this case there will be incompatibilities.

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